“There’s a reason those ICE cops are all wearing masks, they fear people knowing who they are because they know what they’re doing is wrong.”
Respectfully and seriously disagree. They wear the masks so the cartels can’t threaten them or their families. Why do you think police wear masks in Mexico? They learned the hard way through violence and assassination.
As for you thinking they are doing wrong, that is a discussion for another day.
You’re right, there are other reasons for them to wear masks.
Immigration law is a big discussion topic with lots of arguments on both sides. My basic view is this: the government has no right to own my property. I own my property. The government has no right to tax it, or to tell me what I do on it.
If my family member, who has no visa, wants to come live on my property, they should have the right to. The government has made this illegal. They’ll come and raid my house, kidnap my family member, throw them into prison, and then deport them. Regardless of whether they committed any actual crime (besides violating immigration law), nor whether they were on government welfare (which shouldn’t even exist, it’s funded by stolen taxes). In fact, even if they literally never left my house, they’d still be subject to arrest and deportation.
I shouldn’t need permission from the government for my family to come live with me, or to work for my neighbor.
I see immigration law enforcement as just another in a long list of government violations, along with gun confiscations, drug raids, arresting journalists for freedom of speech, and so on.
I respectfully disagree. Violating immigration law is still violating the law. You feel you have the right to bring foreign family into our community who do not share our language, culture, nor values. I have the right to say I don’t want that in my community.
There's plenty of bad laws, is violating them an actual crime? Is there a law that you might find unconscionable and would resist, or do you obey all laws regardless of content?
Also, you actually don't have a "right" to say no to me having a family member in my house. Your desire to not want my hypothetical family member in the community doesn't mean you get to send armed goons into my house. That would be a violation of my property rights.
Anymore than my desire for you to not have a hypothetical weed farm on your property allows me to send armed goons to your house.
People disagree on stuff all the time, which is why we need to draw firm lines on what is and isn't allowed. I propose property rights and the non-aggression principle are that firm line. Otherwise we're just taking turns using the political system to violate each others' rights based on our own preferences.
You wish to have foreign illegals on your property, then you must keep them out of the general community if the community has laws against their presence. BTW, weed doesn’t take taxpayer funded welfare, use our schools, rape and murder our daughters, drive vehicles unlicensed and unable to read our road signs, etc.
So, a hard no to your wanting to impose these people on our communities.
Uhm... my hypothetical family member would also not be raping and murdering anybody. You're picking the worst people out of millions of immigrants and generalizing.
Also, what if my family members are from Canada, or the UK, or Australia? What if they speak perfect English and love American culture and can't wait to live here because they get to actually be freer here than wherever they came from? Not everyone who moves to America does it to benefit from welfare fraud and to vote socialist. Many people move here to be free.
Hypotheticals aside, I'm a legal immigrant. I moved here a decade ago, and went through all the legal paperwork (which is a massive pain and expensive, by the way). I moved from Europe. My English is better than most people who live here. I know more American history than most people who live here. That's not just me being full of myself, literally other Americans have said this to me. I'm also probably a bigger supporter of freedom and the second amendment than anyone else I've met. Do you know why? Because I moved from a country that already has no gun rights. I've experienced what it's like living in England, where pepper spray is illegal. Pepper spray!
I moved here in large part because, with all its problems, America is still the freest country in the world. I had a way to move here legally. Most people don't.
I also don't want cartel gangbangers moving to the U.S., but there's also a bunch of American-bred criminals who live here that I'd rather not be around. I think you might be generalizing a bit too much. It might help to have a bit more empathy for the people on the other side of your philosophical fence.
And ICE first priority is removing the worst of the illegals.
Congrats and well done for following our laws and coming here legally. You would not see me condemn that. Why you think illegals should get a pass on our laws is a mystery to me.
Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree. If you obtain your citizenship here, then you are welcome to legally try to change the law. Until then, you are still a guest in our home.
“There’s a reason those ICE cops are all wearing masks, they fear people knowing who they are because they know what they’re doing is wrong.”
Respectfully and seriously disagree. They wear the masks so the cartels can’t threaten them or their families. Why do you think police wear masks in Mexico? They learned the hard way through violence and assassination.
As for you thinking they are doing wrong, that is a discussion for another day.
You’re right, there are other reasons for them to wear masks.
Immigration law is a big discussion topic with lots of arguments on both sides. My basic view is this: the government has no right to own my property. I own my property. The government has no right to tax it, or to tell me what I do on it.
If my family member, who has no visa, wants to come live on my property, they should have the right to. The government has made this illegal. They’ll come and raid my house, kidnap my family member, throw them into prison, and then deport them. Regardless of whether they committed any actual crime (besides violating immigration law), nor whether they were on government welfare (which shouldn’t even exist, it’s funded by stolen taxes). In fact, even if they literally never left my house, they’d still be subject to arrest and deportation.
I shouldn’t need permission from the government for my family to come live with me, or to work for my neighbor.
I see immigration law enforcement as just another in a long list of government violations, along with gun confiscations, drug raids, arresting journalists for freedom of speech, and so on.
I respectfully disagree. Violating immigration law is still violating the law. You feel you have the right to bring foreign family into our community who do not share our language, culture, nor values. I have the right to say I don’t want that in my community.
There's plenty of bad laws, is violating them an actual crime? Is there a law that you might find unconscionable and would resist, or do you obey all laws regardless of content?
Also, you actually don't have a "right" to say no to me having a family member in my house. Your desire to not want my hypothetical family member in the community doesn't mean you get to send armed goons into my house. That would be a violation of my property rights.
Anymore than my desire for you to not have a hypothetical weed farm on your property allows me to send armed goons to your house.
People disagree on stuff all the time, which is why we need to draw firm lines on what is and isn't allowed. I propose property rights and the non-aggression principle are that firm line. Otherwise we're just taking turns using the political system to violate each others' rights based on our own preferences.
You wish to have foreign illegals on your property, then you must keep them out of the general community if the community has laws against their presence. BTW, weed doesn’t take taxpayer funded welfare, use our schools, rape and murder our daughters, drive vehicles unlicensed and unable to read our road signs, etc.
So, a hard no to your wanting to impose these people on our communities.
Uhm... my hypothetical family member would also not be raping and murdering anybody. You're picking the worst people out of millions of immigrants and generalizing.
Also, what if my family members are from Canada, or the UK, or Australia? What if they speak perfect English and love American culture and can't wait to live here because they get to actually be freer here than wherever they came from? Not everyone who moves to America does it to benefit from welfare fraud and to vote socialist. Many people move here to be free.
Hypotheticals aside, I'm a legal immigrant. I moved here a decade ago, and went through all the legal paperwork (which is a massive pain and expensive, by the way). I moved from Europe. My English is better than most people who live here. I know more American history than most people who live here. That's not just me being full of myself, literally other Americans have said this to me. I'm also probably a bigger supporter of freedom and the second amendment than anyone else I've met. Do you know why? Because I moved from a country that already has no gun rights. I've experienced what it's like living in England, where pepper spray is illegal. Pepper spray!
I moved here in large part because, with all its problems, America is still the freest country in the world. I had a way to move here legally. Most people don't.
I also don't want cartel gangbangers moving to the U.S., but there's also a bunch of American-bred criminals who live here that I'd rather not be around. I think you might be generalizing a bit too much. It might help to have a bit more empathy for the people on the other side of your philosophical fence.
And ICE first priority is removing the worst of the illegals.
Congrats and well done for following our laws and coming here legally. You would not see me condemn that. Why you think illegals should get a pass on our laws is a mystery to me.
Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree. If you obtain your citizenship here, then you are welcome to legally try to change the law. Until then, you are still a guest in our home.